Ok guys i just wanted to give you a chance to suggest stuff on a 2.04 MEM patch, Im currently looking at zsolo's edition and will most likely take a lot of stuff from there. Now is the time for suggestions.

Main thoughts as they come
* I will admit I was a bit over enthusiastic on bomber morale, I will raise bomber morale.
* Maybe it would be a good idea to make upgrades a bit cheaper? Tank supply costs should make the old two stepped tank builds impossible anyway.
* Maybe it would be a good idea to give USSR and Germany another mp boost somewhere mid game, for example 300 German and 500 USSR mp on barbarossa. Maybe this could delay manpower issues until 1942-1943 and also make the difference between allies and USSR/GER a bit bigger.

upgrade dont really work at all....cept free market. or having infantry 41 and upgrading 18 to 36 or 39.

its alot cheaper and effective to just build new stuff as central planning.Lets not mention the gearing.

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Upgrades: Im not talking about big changes, i was thinking maybe 0.9 time instead of 1.0. Reason i'd like to do this is to see more upgrades being made that are not from double obsolete units (36 to 39 when the 41 tech is researched) another incentive would be to make the difference between unit models bigger but that's a rather big operation. Things have become more expensive and also upkeep, with air being necessary i think it would be a good thing to make upgrades more of an option.



2) Manpower: Im just looking at our current game - as tanks and mechs become very supply heavy. Players cant just go all in on tanks, thus we see more inf and inf bleed manpower. From my horizon, the divs get depleted too fast, a little more manpower for the big guys could delay that depletion by a few months.



3) Bombers: I dont agree that they suck ass. I have used air in the current campaign and it has helped me a lot. The interdiction mission is very effective in battles up to say 10-12 divs and beyond that it can have an important impact on how fast a battle ends, very useful in crossing rivers for example. Interdiction is also very important now on landings. I have also killed a lot of divisions - not like in the days of vanilla where 40-50 divs could be bombed to smithereens but say 10 divs or so have died the ground attack death.

My conclusion is that air is potent enough - and there is a line to cross where air just becomes the wonder weapon. Where you just have to force the enemy to move and then kill off 8 divs while he is moving and digging in. So let's not over do it. Also be careful when checking how good your starting lvl 1-2 tacs are doing, I have consciously let the ww1 - interwar bombers be a couple of steps below the lvl 3+ bombers. So the starting tacs dont tell you very much. Attacking both day and night is also not a good idea (same goes for forests).

That said, I do think I went too far. The air take both a lot of org damage from battle and loses org while in the air. That makes the reorg times too high even if you keep an air groups in reserve. what I do like though is that lower morale makes planning necessary, building a matching air base and more importantly improving infra in provinces you think will be key.

ill be gentle here then. I'd like to bust as many glitches as possible though, so any suggestions are welcome. One thing I have done is to add conditions to rom,hun, bul switching sides. Paris and rome must now be occupied. I need more suggestion of this kind of irritating stuff

with the change to UK professional slider in 2.03 i think it would be possible to change the upgrade time/cost factors a bit. All nations except for USSR now have about the same upgrade "bonus". I think it would be strategically more interesting if upgrades were faster but more expensive. right now were often looking at 100 percent of the time and 11 percent of the IC cost. I'd like to change that a bit, maybe to double the IC cost and use the corresponding time.

These additional triggers are great idea IMHO.

So far, all the changes seem to be nice.

First of all, here are my ideas not oncluded in the HUN mod:
- in general allaince chances could be raised a bit for a few countries (FIN, BUL, BRA, ARG)
- 'Persian coup' event trigger: if IRQ doesn't exist (=annexed by Axis) then PER should not be able to align with UK, USSR

All my other ideas can be found here:
- http://forums.ederon.net/default.aspx?g=posts&m=37947
- http://forums.ederon.net/default.aspx?g=posts&m=38241
- http://forums.ederon.net/default.aspx?g=posts&m=41791

What I consider as outstanding changes from the above:
0) TAC and CAS became able to bomb with interdiction larger stacks, even dug-in
1) GER has no peactime penalty + receivers +10% IC minister from start
2) USSR gets full interventionalist from events by the time Barbarossa starts
3) CAN, AUS is given additional rare and metal production
4) PAR beacme an elite figting unit with increased production time & cost
5) sea zones are rearranged so that NAV really can patrol only coastal areas

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Yes, it is a good idea, but the problem that the two groups have different players, different houserules etc.

For example in Tuesday series puppet is enabled while in Zsolo series not, or in Zsolo series there is airport limit, redeploy rules etc.
So it is not easy...

But I support this conception.

About mp:

What I realise in the current GC that UK may have 0.86 mp/day (in war, without getting mp from India!) since '41 with +25% manpower minister, this seems too bit for me... (especially if there is human CAN/AUS) Mainly because JAP get only 0.45-0.5 mp at war.
(ok in peace he has about 0.9/day from China with mp minister for 2-3 years...)

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I will check this out, I agree it seems off. But I also dislike Germany having an +25% minister in 1942. That should be pushed to 43 imo

It's true. Don't know what you can do about that, since any upgrade bonus you give to CP will go to FM as well. I prefer the slow upgrade, because I think it benefits the CP countries more, just because of the strategic dynamics. Both SU and German already do there main builds right before war, and so they tend to depend on building new anyway.

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For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

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Sir Winston -- 1937

Is it really necessary to have so much fuel use by tanks? Burning 500 oil/day as germany is ridicolous.

You're saying that Germans and Soviets upgrade their units less than the other countries?