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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:15:55 AM
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No no no The AXIS got off to a quick start with Spain attacking France's back door, but in the end there was just too much coastline to defend (esp. including Portugal).

Surrender It shouldn't be long now before Italy gets the "change sides" event.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:42:14 PM
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During the summer of '41 the tide slowly appeared to be turning, first there was landing behind the lines in champagne area that blocked 5 divisions into a pocket, while they fought furiously they were unable to connect with their comrades to the north or even retake Bordeaux.

Situation in the middle of summer.

2nd efford to hold the allied push from spain was made on riverline above bordeaux, having withdrawn troops from northern coast. But once again the british made a daring landing behind the lines, forcing a withdrawal, this time bit more ordely and while losses of manpower were not insignificant, all divisions could be reinforced to full from french volunteers.

3rd line was drawn at Seine - upper Loire Line, Heeresgruppe west had high hopes about this line, it did afterall include Paris, unfortunately british once again landed behind and the covardly attack by americans through the neutral Vichy France compromised southern side. This meant the river had to be abandoned and what was left of original Armee F retreated to the 4th line....

4th line, also known as the Rhine, enforced by Maginot lines refurbished and redirected fortifications had received divisions arriving from east to their long avaited vacations in france, this time we also managed to repel atleast one attampt by the british to land behind this line around amsterdam, OKW promises to be more prepared to repel such landings from now on, having actual reserve available.

In the east soviet summer counteroffensive resumed in the middle sector, slowly pushing the german divisions back especially after some were withdrawn to reinforce in west, leaving the numbers available awfully low, but at least soviets had also reorganized their divisions closer to 2 brigade size in their despare lack of new men (and women) to draft.

Fortunately the war in east was not quite as one sided, as german armies finally took the long encircled Leningrad pocket and those fresh bloodthirsty baltic divisions continued to push back from north to threaten moscow.

OKW considers upgrading status from serious (where it has been last 2 years) to critical, but the call has not yet been made, after all, vaterland remains untouched.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:57:48 PM
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Session 6: Liberation of France!

The summer of 1941 saw the liberation of France including the Vichy area. Montgomery's army was tasked with taking northern and western France, while the Americans went for southern France (Vichy). The main thrust came from Messervy's armoured corps advancing from Bordeaux, with Blair's infantry corps covering the flanks and rear. Meanwhile a number of landings behind enemy lines were performed by a couple of Monty's motorized infantry corps, they were tasked with attacking the German defenses from the rear and also to capture the vital ports at the coast. This went smoothly and German high command had to retreat and reform a number of times, and they weren't even able defend Paris for long, but finally they managed to stop the British forces at the Maginot Line. On a side note, one landing around Amsterdam did fail but due to the complete naval dominance of the sea, RN was able to get all retreating divisions out of the beach head. In the skies over France huge air battles between Italian and British planes occoured, but results were inconclusive and air power had little effect in the land battles.

Here we see Montgomery's Army which was responsible for liberating France during the summer and early autumn of 1941:



The armoured corps under command of Messervy is rushing towards the German lines at the Seine river:



In the East, India was attacked by troops from Manchukuo through China, but luckily the Burmese army had received reinforcement during the summer and handled the situation without to much trouble. Japan seems to have turned her attention towards the Soviets, but Churchill still expects an attack sooner than later. Lastly there are a lot of French volunteers at the recruiting stations after the liberation of France and thus the army will see an expansion the coming months...

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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:12:43 AM
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Let's see, not much of real import happened last session, lot of fighting to be sure, but very static fronts in the end...

We have lost Netherland temporarily while gaining some ground in east to balance this out, however it's now clear that threath from allies is quite real and we may have to do something about instead of constantly trying to push the east into submission, this is not happy state of affairs but temporary drawbacks are to be expected in any war...

For your enjoyment, German OOB from august of '39, I suppose it's dated enough information not to pose any real threath...



Totaling, if I got it right, about 208 brigades, bringing us to almost parity with the french Big Grin (and you think I haven't been stretched for units)

And yea, Armee P... was for keeping up appearances along ger - sov border in poland, didn't want to tempt schue too much.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:09:09 PM
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I'll put these here just so they won't be too easy to find.

Soviets 38->39->40(between 1aug-1sept, as in the other table)



Axis 38->39->40



Allies 38->39->40



edit note; missing one french inf brig from the last Big Grin

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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:31:18 PM
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And picking from that I can give you approximat axis strenght on east front at start of barbarossa;
47arm, 22lam, 42 mot, 40mec, 213inf, 8mtn + some sup brigades (ie. full hungarian army, germany had 75 in brig in west, assuming full romanian army thou he had some small force in turkish/bulgaria front) = total strenght of ~362 brigades?

Edit: actually not quite sure if I had some arm produced after 30 aug as well, I'm thinking those 20mec+10larm would have been all but I suppose it's possible, hmm
10 arm expedited, leaves 37 arm, does that make up my 4 corps? I suppose it does more or less, yea, those are accurate.

Edit2; damn but larm mec numbers are wrong by half, fixed now.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:09:15 PM
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Thank you for compiling that list, however it doesnt really show my late '40/ early '41 production at all. that is the most significant part, abut decisive for me was the mid of '41 part when that front in the baltics collapsed with that pocket.
I commenced on an emergency building plan, i scrapped my long serials and build massive numbers of arm at the same time, sometimes averaging 20 ARM at the same time. This is where you encountered those massive stacks around moscow. Had i not done that Panzernotprogramm, i would have been toast.

Try to compare numbers pre-collapse of the front and then end of the year and now. By the time my emergency build program ended, i was pathetically low on MP, and if you look at my current strength, i got barely ARMs of 75% str., averaging at 50% at most. I overdid it, but in the end saved my ass. By the end of 41 i was disbanding the entire siberian army and a good deal on the western front so i didnt collapse, i was 450-500 MP in the negative i think.



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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:10:44 PM
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Hmm, I suppose I could, I'll do the '41 aug first, I'll see what kind of numbers that gives...

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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:00:01 PM
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Aug 30th 1941, yes I can see what you mean with armor rush buildup....





And table of the other crap, yes, you have -450 mp (I never included the 'needed to reinforce' in tables before, and even in this it's only for soviets since I never thought to look for it)

Code:
30thAUG41
Nation                IC        Energy        Metal        Rares     Oil       Supplies   Fuel  Money   Manpower  Leadership Officers
Germany             241/433     99999+193     99999+25    64854-86   28710     75829     57451 16398     389+23,8  37,68       176%
  changes           +13/+23         0-175         0-6    -28000-12    +380    +20000     -9000 +9600    -670-3,3   -1,12       -16%
Italy                78/136      6350-66      17957-17     6713-13    6677     78754     13758   637     627+9,9   15,36       109%
  changes             0/0      -18650-154     +5000-8     +4000-9     +370    +27000     +1100    -7    -202+0      0           -6%
Japan               149/271     83045-298,3   46641-179   17285-101   2223     49149      6345    43    1833+34,1  27,06       126%
  changes            +4/+35    +23000-50     +22000-25   +10000-41   +2223    +22000     +1900    -1    +200+0,9   +0,24       +10%
Hungary              49/80       2207+47       7345+8      4424+5     2906      5512      5852   500      98+5,1    5,30       110%
  changes            +5/+9      -4400+3       +1900+4     +1400+4     +500      -300     +1000  -242     -87+1,3    +,60        -1%
Romania              41/63      28588+52      12557+11    10082+7    15492     39473     24040  2784       0+5,1    5,37       143%
  changes             0/0      +11000-10      +4500+5     +3000-4    +4800    +25000     +8200 +1580       0+0,9    +,47       +45%
Soviet Union        267/427     30523+20      93059-26    20155-23   26856     85764     54116  1117    -450+23,8  16,94       135%
  changes            -7/-4      +1500+131     +9000-98    -4000-30   -2000    +73000     -3000  -700    -682-9,7   -5,04       +38%
United Kingdom      176/290     12576-80       7712-170   99999-137   1869      5727     16336  9928      66+30    31,34       118%
  changes            +6/+10     +6000+23      +1300+39   +43000-21  +12700     +2300    +13000 +9700     +47+4,1   +4,04       +11%
USA                 309/509     99999+52      99999+354   89099+26   99999     94201     99380 25837     162+29,2  33,75       200%
  changes            +4/+6          0-490         0-180  +34000-64       0    +65000      +370 +2000    +162+0,8    0          +12%
Canada               32/51        683/+23     39514-42     1327+0     2555      4217      5707   172      16+2,9    4,2        125%


I have feeling that I should not have checked the data this far, even if we are now 8 months from this data, it tells me maybe bit too much.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:02:33 PM
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Addentum, and as you can see, while I lost 670 mp in this time frame, my army hardly grew, granted I lost quite a few units to encirclements at this time, but still, most of the mp went to reinforcing, while you built more and let the existing units to run deficit....

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Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:42:06 AM
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Forgiven wrote:
Aug 30th 1941, yes I can see what you mean with armor rush buildup....

And table of the other crap, yes, you have -450 mp (I never included the 'needed to reinforce' in tables before, and even in this it's only for soviets since I never thought to look for it)

I have feeling that I should not have checked the data this far, even if we are now 8 months from this data, it tells me maybe bit too much.


Thank you again for the compiling.

A bit for history purposes: I had about 100 ARM divs when Barbarossa started. My officer ratio was at roughly 100, while you had some 200, plus my ARM was out of date (you are getting tremendous bonuses from combined arms apparently) plus the experience bonus (i rush build them, meaning i start with 0 XP - a great malus as i have come to notice). so those 100 ARM are on par or even less worth than your 44 brigades.

My numbers increased to 120-130 when suddenly that massive pocket developed and got killed. I found myself back at some 60 i believe. I had 6 serials of 5 or so running, so i did what i had to, cancel have as ghalf were just done anyway, build 20 ARM, and when the others were done i build another 20 and another 10 afterwards i think.

I was out of MP before that as well, so i just took what i could get.

It was a gamble, i had nothing to reinforce with, but in the end it saved the day until i got 200% officers as well. late war your forces had an advantage of combat power of about 1.3:1 i would guess.

Now that i outnumber you by probably 3 or even 4:1, that was a very lopsided affair as i could destroy your creme de la creme units.

I have come to some interesting conclusions due to this game, looking forward to the next.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:06:59 AM
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The Royal Navy once again dealt with the axis attempts to rule the seas...

The Kriegsmarine have been rebuilt yet again, but goes down as usual:



Singapore turkey shoot:



Kido Butais (costly) revenge around Papua:



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Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:10:45 AM
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Pupua I believe was only a victory due to the CAG's still being alive, but I could be wrong. There our Battleships did a little damage and the BB and BC's got out alive.

Burma front shows how one must have airfields ready to place. I could not stop you logistical bombing operations and it forced our attack to a grinding halt.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:18:49 AM
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Hytzon wrote:


. . . Montgomery's army was tasked with taking northern and western France, while the Americans went for southern France (Vichy). . . .




"Yes, and intellegence says I'm up against Rommel again!" General Montgomery to General Patton in Sicily.

But, what he really wanted to say was; "You American's will do better against the Italians!"



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Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:21:59 AM
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Wow, those naval battles must have been intense. Empire shall strike back! HARD! Ninja
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Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:24:21 AM
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Valentinian wrote:
"Yes, and intellegence says I'm up against Rommel again!" General Montgomery to General Patton in Sicily.

But, what he really wanted to say was; "You American's will do better against the Italians!"



Monty is why the war wasn't over in 44...he failed to close the falaise gap and wouldn't allow patton to do so allowing the german army to escape.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:27:17 AM
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Patton's memoirs?

Well, I don't even really know, just tend to take such claims with some doubts, I assume patton would have been pushing out of supply again to do that, might as well have delayed it to '46? One Tooth Grin

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Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:37:06 AM
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Nah, Patton did live long enough to write one. Just general history on the Normandy breakout and how the allies missed a huge opportunity.
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:25:21 PM
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The endresult of the maps! 5.5 gigs worth! Big Grin 160 different maps, covering 2.5 years roughly:



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