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Gen.Schuermann
Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:40:44 AM
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I need some serious input on this one.
I will have to do some serious reading.

I can promise you though (probably to your despair) that it will be Panzer heavy in the european/african theatre.



I beg for input.

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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:12:51 PM
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You have 2 very skilled Japanese players against you in the Pacific, your navy has to be very strong.

Carriers rules the waves, more so the further we get into the game. You should aim to have 4-5 carrier fleets to face the Japanese sometime in mid-late 1940 if possible. I suppose they will go after India as usual, since it has nice resources and really hurts the UK. Midway and Hawaii must hold, but I don't think losing neither Guam nor Wake is critical. It's alway nice with a base in Japanese waters, but I think India / Ceylon are far more important.

I don't mind if you make some armor, but remember to produce marines and paratroopers as well.

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Gen.Schuermann
Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:48:39 PM
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how about CVLs? i was wondering if it made sense for example to build 2 CVLs instead of on CV in lighter fleets?
also, do you keep a lot of CAG reserves on some islands?

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Posted: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 12:56:24 AM
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Session 1 Debriefing:

Kept the builds that were in the queue, added regular infantry and light arm for the practicals. no idea if i will keep them or not.

I also built 2 CVs and 4 CVLs and 4 additional light cruiser runs, will add another 4 CVs soon. Ideally i want 2 carriers finishing every 3-6 months later.
I'll also invest in a couple uboats every few months. I am delaying CAGs a little atm, but keeping 2-3 in order to icnrease/keep practicals.

I hope i get the gear ups soon, because 150 construction IC to work with is kinda dull when you are used to more.

I also am reorganizing my navy atm, one new carrier fleet and one old one, plus a modern BB fleet and lots of smaller escort ones. my escorts are all outdated, i will heavily invest in new ones. But they are so ridiculously expensive and take ages to build Sad

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Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:01:01 PM
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CVLs are not that good of an idea since they have too low speed to engage in proper naval battles but they can be used to escort TPs and hunt for subs. Consider lending a few to the UK since you are building them.

Focus on CVs and CLs and lots of long range INT and CAGs.

Dont be scared of spreading out once you are at war. Some GAR/INF on Portuguese islands, Greenland, Bahamas, air bases in micronesia, New Zeeland, Australia, Sough Africa. I hope SOV will not have to demand desperate landings in Europe in 1941 one this time so focus on navy mostly and then build up for landings later on.

Watch out for an Axis DOW on Vichy when you should grab Casablanca asap and in force.

Dont engange them prematurely and too far away from your own naval bases and air bases. Let them come to us so we win the first naval combats. We should win by not losing in the beginning.
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Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:28:40 PM
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I think the CVLs are good enough for reserve fleet actions and at the start of the scenario it's a good way to gain practicals, just as Schuer have done. I am also producing 2 extra CVLs as UK for sub hunting duties and whatnot, but I will probably keep them in Europe. They can be used for long range air strikes against other fleets, but their lower air defense and speed is a drawback. Try to always have more CAGs than what your carriers can have aboard so you can rotate CAGs in and out after heavy battles.

Even though the diplomatic cost for licensing is quite steep, I think you can still afford to buy some licenses for medium tanks from me if you desire.

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Gen.Schuermann
Posted: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:12:33 PM
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I'll post my current buildup and some other screenies for you to comment tonight, probably.
I need your input on construction, fleet composition etc.

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Posted: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:37:40 PM
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When will you enter the war? I think I can invite you sometime in November 1939...

I know that you will get way more IC when at war, but you must only enter once you are actually prepared. The fleets must be organized and strong enough to oppose the Japanese, troops placed on the islands and upgrades under way etc. I guess you will not be "ready" until sometime in 1940? It will of course depend on when the Japanese decides to wage war against the Allies, but I don't expect them to be sitting out the world war for long now that China has fallen.

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Posted: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:52:58 PM
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I am your new partner, sceuch:

Guys, I am pretty decent with land armies and airforce, but I'm still newb at fleet battles. So can I focus on land fights?

I have no clue how to optimise production in 2.04b (the upgrade-"exploit" was removed I believe).
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Posted: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:25:56 PM
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Wow Nikitn, i have never seen someone butcher up my name so much (sceuch), unless it was a *sigh* sound of sorts Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

anyway, we have a problem, as i am a germany or russia player normally. Big Grin
we'll sort it out. how's your experience btw? are you part of other MP groups? or SP only?

our first theatres of action will likely be North Africa and the Pacific and Indian ocean.

Production is well underway, but i need to focus on more air yet, as our INT force is quite weak. i should also start researching FTR, but i am not sure how much it is worth (contesting air over islands and neighbouring seazones).
I think you can devise a plan for north africa, i want to grab western africa as soon as vichy falls (assuming it does). you could do that part.
I will then focus on the pacific first. please provide input on production and research, i pretty much researched what i think was right (specifically lacking carrier doctrines right now, though).

@Hytzon: i have begun garrisoning my most important 3 isles (have yet to put stuff to hawaii, though). as soon as my fleet is sorted (pretty much is, though), i'll join. i have quite some construction sites yet to work on. also, as soon as i enter, i'd like Med. Armor licenses. i brought my practical a bit with l arm, but my research lacks still, of course.

And i am sorry i havent checked in lately, i hope to provide more info by monday, i am at my parent's atm without access to hoi3.

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Posted: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:03:30 PM
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Hey I got exp from other MP groups and am confident with land & air. Not good with naval forces though, I have no idea of how to game-the-system in the best way.

How about this; I handle the European theatre and you handle the Pacific?

BTW: How is the situation throughout the world?
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Posted: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:36:01 PM
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You can take the atlantic, but once it turns hot in western europe, i'd like to have an army or two at my disposal also. also, i'd like to stay in command of production and techs, but please share input and thoughts! I may be a dictator with own thoughts, but a second opinion never hurt anybody!
are you familiar with streamlining the OOB? i absolutely hate that. not that we have much of an army atm anyway, but if that is your thing, please go ahead.
think we'll split the air evenly between theatres, wherever need be.

naval wise, i think you'll have to do with a couple BB forces, and a light carrier or two, but i'd like the bulk of the USN for the pacific then.

the situation is the following:
we are not in the war yet, will be soon though. just need to reinforce the pacific a bit yet, but can join once france falls i guess.
it remains to be seen what japan is up to and what their plans are.

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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:10:34 PM
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Well, I think it would be best if I control the western armies and fleets.. So you can concentrate on production tech and the pacific.

I am not particularly interested in re-organizing the command structure.
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 11:35:32 PM
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Wow, that was disastrous. I blame it on my second screen and thus lack of focus.
Sorry guys. I lost the Enterprise, could escape with the rest. Could have been worse, almost lost a second lvl 3 carrier, but i cannot help it now. keeping hawaii and licking my wounds is most important now.

But judging for past MP games, we know the USA is the weakest link until 1941/42. Also Japan is always damned strong, and the orth-findix combo is playing Japan for the second time.
Not sure i want to play USA again next time, my lack of focus really deserves only italy or something like that -.-

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Posted: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:09:00 AM
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Does anyone know why the initial battle went so badly? 1 CV + 17 others for no Jap losses?

Low Officer Ratio? Bad luck? Fleet compostion?

If its the officer ratio that is to blame the US will have to focus on that until they can fight the Japs at sea.

Defend Hawaii and reinforce India carefully from the West like you discussed sounds reasonable to me.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:24:15 AM
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I must say that the no airbase at Midway is a major strategic error which will complicate things. For now you need your entire air force at Hawaii and keep your fleet out of harms way. Every island at Hawaii needs to be well defended and if you spot any Japanese action, do not hesitate to call for assistance. None of us can take direct naval action alone against Japan, but we can do so combined. However, at the moment we only need to defend, so no reason for doing naval battles that are unnecessary.

This is what happens if Japan assaults Hawaii: I rebase 4 UK interceptors and they will do daytime air superiority to wear down CAGs. 4 other interceptors, which will likely be your own, do the same at night. After a few days we send in our own CAGs do bomb their fleet, just station them at the airfield to keep your own fleet safe. The important part of this tactic is to STOP the interceptors doing air superiority before your CAGs start to bomb, otherwise you will suffer huge penalties. Again you can split up the CAG bombing for day and nighttime to avoid to much stacking penalty.

I seriously doubt they can take Hawaii when they have no air cover. The strikes at Guam, Wake and Midway could only be done due to US unpreparedness.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:33:44 AM
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I'm not sure Hawaii is their real target at the moment. They probably just wanted to secure Pacific for their operations and get forward bases for both imminent defensive and future offensive operations.

I believe they'll go for UK/CW now, grab what's within their reach in Western Pacific/East Indian. Without having to worry about US feets.

But I agree Hawaii should be properly defended as Hytzon suggests. Daytime/nighttime missions are must for effective use of airforce. Bit of micro, but what's not...
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Posted: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:12:13 PM
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Hawaii main base (2 provs) has now 9 divisions, 5 on the one with the airfield and port. that one should be ok for now.

The naval losses were so high because they caught a TP fleet en route abck to Japan. It's no biggie, really, it was my oldest TP fleet. That was at least 10 ships (2 old CAs, 2 DDs, 6 TPs iirc), the rest was from my 3 other fleets (1 SAG, 2 CAGs). I beat him up too, though not too much of course, but still.
I am putting over 20 leadership into officers atm, i only have like 65% officers due to the army builds.

@Juv: the blame is to put on low officers mostly, i guess, also the peace footing leaves org down. I should not have intervened, i seriously didnt know that low officers affected navy much. -.-
@Hytzon: Yes it was a problem, but seeing how he rapes me everywhere due to peace footing and low officers, it wouldn't have mattered. Also i admit that i didnt expect them to be so aggressive, they never really tried last game, now did they? They are playing a fundamentally different game this time around.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:34:40 PM
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Sounds good Schuey. A CV lost is of course irritating, but if the CAGs are saved your basic defensive strike capabilities remains the same.

You need to guard every small island close to the main Hawaii island, else they will take it and place an airbase. From here they can contest the air space while their fleet unloads troops. But I do agree with Ederon, it is highly unlikely they will go for another invasion - but better safe than sorry.

Could you give me some details on their fleet composition, what you damaged and so on?


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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:45:57 PM
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Schuer will defend Hawaii. The main big mistake was not using professional divisions to garrison Guam, imo.

I will handle everything east of New York and west of Singapore.

If you like, I can use my army to re-inforce India and help the USSR once Germany invades. If the RN is able to fight against the KM in the Baltic we could seriously hold Denmark & Sweden. With American troops.

Btw, Schuer, I know that I'm new and just joined in but you REALLY should start focusing on air-power because the Jap fleet is too strong to fight head on, yet. You over-built (in early war, useless) infantry in the extreme imo.
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Posted: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:40:06 AM
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Don't worry Denmark won't be easy to take, Copenhagen can quickly turn into the Gibraltar of the North. For now KM is sitting in port and they have so many ships stacked that my port strikes are useless, the same with Italy.

I think India is a good place to station US troops to face Japan and maybe Italy if they break through the Middle East. The thing is that US troops are low tech and with bad doctrines at the moment, and will surely be no match for the Germans. One of his Panzer divisions can easily defeat 5 or more of your infantry divisions, we saw this last game when USA intervened in Spain after France fell. I agree with Niktin on the air power, but I know your IC have been constrained and you are behind on research in every area. I propose you start building 4-6 fighters, licensed if you can and have diplo points for them.

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Posted: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:43:16 PM
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"I think India is a good place to station US troops to face Japan and maybe Italy if they break through the Middle East."

+1

Slow down the JAPs land expansion while maintaining UK IC.

It looks like the Middle East can be held with UK troops. If we can stall them in India we basically stopped them from conquering the Euro-Asian landmass until Barbarossa.

Scandinavia has lower priority in my book.
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Posted: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:06:01 PM
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The Japs have a chance at taking India? Really? Hm the infrastructure there is crap so they would need complete naval dominance to take India.

My plan:

1. I will send large amounts of troops to India. UK will garrison and control the Baltic.

2. I will receive a large submarine force which I can base in singapore and other ports to harass the Japs.
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:54:39 AM
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At the moment the Japanese have complete naval dominance everywhere they go, as long as they stay out of range of Allied air bases.

From Saigon they can reach the entire east coast of India and once they have Singapore, they can reach the west coast also. There are simply to many provinces and harbors to be able to defend against a massive landing. A mobile response force is needed and the air bases held, as an invasion without air superiority is very risky and likely to fail due to logistical bombing.

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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:07:02 PM
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well, we still need a strong submarine fleet in the pacific for convoy raiding. There is no point keeping a submarine outside every jap Island, as the USN is destroyed in the pacific. Would be better 2 use them to kill convoys in Jap waters (so they scout as well as do some damage).
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