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cueball
Posted: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:43:03 AM
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Please post any game discussion about issue raised during the game.

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:35:42 AM
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We had some discussion about the situation with Republican Spain, and who can ally it when, and we decided that for the purposes of this game, that UK could ally Nationalist Spain after Vichy, and that USSR is prohibited from doing so.

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
Predator
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:16:04 AM
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Another thing is UK allying the whole world, some kind of limitation could be fine imo.
adam gets lots of money and it's really easy to get lots of countries in..
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:09:03 PM
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Predator wrote:
Another thing is UK allying the whole world, some kind of limitation could be fine imo.
adam gets lots of money and it's really easy to get lots of countries in..


lol yes do join in on my bitching at cueball..It is unfair to the axis to allow UK to ally any country and have SU be able to DoW anyone after danzig. leaving these rules is just asking for arguments. and I think I quite proved thisThumbs Up the list of allyable countries is huge, and when I did all my tests I didn't even take into account churchhill who is an alliance +50% minister. cue and I agreed I will stop after I listed all the countries I would soon ally. list included: sweden, norway, chile, saudi arabia, sinkiang, ireland, venez, yugo, greece, turkey. Cueball has even now informed me it was possible to influe axis minors and ally them. finland would have joined me also then after winter was over. I figured I would make an example out of the allying countries rather than argue for hours and type paragraphs like I have already done in the comintern boards. and yet still cueball wants this rule. guess he wants to have a 15 minute discussion in any game where UK wants to start allying people on what he thinks is fair and fits into the guidelines of the game.

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:21:13 PM
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Good so there should a limit, Norway and historically neutral countries should be out of the question imo
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:23:03 PM
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Predator wrote:
Good so there should a limit, Norway and historically neutral countries should be out of the question imo


LOL this eliminates everyone dude, exactly what I was saying. Brazil and Arg are only "historic" countries that aren't regularly included in regular games. and they didn't come about until 1944 or some such. and brazil and Arg is not fair either. brazil should not be allowed until arg gets brought in if they do, and I bet you never ever see an Arg get brought in, if it allows brazil to be. In monday game brazil has like 60-100 infantry divisions.....this changes a lot of balance issues considering argentina would never build more than 24 troops at the most.

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:38:14 PM
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adam wrote:
lol yes do join in on my bitching at cueball..It is unfair to the axis to allow UK to ally any country and have SU be able to DoW anyone after danzig. leaving these rules is just asking for arguments. and I think I quite proved thisThumbs Up the list of allyable countries is huge, and when I did all my tests I didn't even take into account churchhill who is an alliance +50% minister. cue and I agreed I will stop after I listed all the countries I would soon ally. list included: sweden, norway, chile, saudi arabia, sinkiang, ireland, venez, yugo, greece, turkey. Cueball has even now informed me it was possible to influe axis minors and ally them. finland would have joined me also then after winter was over. I figured I would make an example out of the allying countries rather than argue for hours and type paragraphs like I have already done in the comintern boards. and yet still cueball wants this rule. guess he wants to have a 15 minute discussion in any game where UK wants to start allying people on what he thinks is fair and fits into the guidelines of the game.


It seems to me you are having an arguement with yourself. You easily could have just said, oh I don't like this rule because abcd. I don't think Axis would have bitched that much. Alternately you could have just not done it, or not proposed to me that you would ally Sweden, for example. Then none of this would have come up and you would not have had to write any paragraphs at all -- it would not have been an issue.

What I tried to explain to you was that I did not want to limit what countries UK could ally to "by the rule" since, I can forsee circumstances where it would be fair and reasonable to do so. For example, in the case where the Med is locked down by Axis, and Allies would use Saudi Arabia as a back door into Iraq. In my view perfectly reasonable in some strategic situations. Or, for example, when and if Germany Allies Argentina, there would be good reason to ally any number of nations in South America.

UK should not ally Chile if Argentina is in Axis, simply because of some rule that says they can not until 1944? Such a rule can easily be exploited in the opposite direction.

The rule as it stands is dependent on reasonable play.

And no, I never said UK could influence and ally Historical Axis minors in fact I explicitly prohibitted it...

5.2 : Influencing historical minor Allies of the opposing alliance is forbidden, (For Example, UK may not influence Hungary but could influence Nationalist Spain)

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:53:08 PM
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let's hear predator's an hiensen's answer to these questions: 1. by me simply adding the 6 ic nation of saudi arabia to my alliance, how much does this affect your ambition of taking suez and closing off the med long term? 2. would you ever ally argentina if it meant UK or SU could ally south american countries? the only time this stuff would be feasable is late in the game when major battles have been fought and the major countries are devastated. 3. would you ever at all ally argentina while at war with the allies and with a comintern brazil?

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:07:33 PM
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As I explained on the board, it has to do with being reasonable, and not merely trying to find ways around things. or proving points or whatever.


saudi arabia: axis cannot hold suez past time allies have spare divisions to make a landing. a standing army.

venezuala: free oil for allies, ships, small army for some shore defenses. keeps axis from receiving over seas oil after danzig and punishes them very very severely for not making a huge stockpile.

chile: ships, pre landings for quick invasion of argentina. 126 manpower reserve. 4 starting divisions.

sweden: good to ally late in the game for 40 divisions. bases right next to ger.

norway: bases right next to ger and coupled with sweden very deadly.

ireland: large standing army. airbases to help reach different sea zones.

yugoslavia: a surprise attack can sometimes be devastating.

netherlands, belgium, and denmark: a surprise attack can sometimes be devastating.

turkey: if allied before axis troops get there can put allied divisions and axis cannot cross the straights even if they clear the straights. large standing army with airforce and ships.

greece: how would you like to meet up with an triple alliance of yugo, greece, and turkey all at the same time while invading france?

sinkiang: protects SU inner industries and rare. Adds more divisions to defense of india.

brazil: this damn country is a major and should never make an appearance in the game unless axis does something with Arg.

think that's every nation UK is able to ally. USA can also influe minors and ally them, then UK can ally USA and bring all them in also, but that's a different story. Think I have listed a pretty accurate reason for the reasons behind allying each country to show there is a whole lot more reasoning to the reason why I feel you should not be able to ally other countries, as most of them give you presetup defenese for the axis.

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and not merely trying to find ways around things. or proving points or whatever.

not just some lame excuse to be more powerful and prove a point.




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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:12:28 PM
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adam :
1. It affects Germany a lot, that's true. Besides UK shouldn't need to or have to use another backdoor than Africa imo.
2. No !
3. Hell NO !
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:22:34 PM
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There are two ways of looking at South America. You can look at it as a dead zone. Or you can try and make it playable. At this time I am focussing on making it playable, at some level. So far, I had really only considered the aspect of Argentine and Brazil as an area of conflict.

In order to accomodate the possibility of an Comintern Brazil, I included two nerfs directly relating to that, USA get a negative interventionism slide move if Brazil is in Comintern and if USSR then DOW's Argentina with the idea of making a South American super-state, then Germany has the option of threatening to end the NAP with SU early -- its actually a pretty cool event.

Allying Brazil by comintern probably delays US war entry by at least 6 months.

Thematically, the mod is designed to give people historical lattitude, but at the same time make consequences for those actions. The way it is now people can always find ways around things, and do a-historical actions and suffer no consequence -- the Bring Socialism event is one of those, Axis invasion of Spain is another. So to compensate for this desire that players have for experimenting with history I have devised consequences for them, things that would be, in my view, historically feasible, or reasonable.

This is precisely what Lothos did when he programmed the AI to make Spain and Portugal less neutral when USSR invades Persia. The invasion of Persia never happened, and Nationalist Spain never became an Axis ally.

Hence the USSR and Germany devide Turkey events and making the Bring Socialism event make Sweden pro-axis and giving SU consequences for trying to make a South American super-state out of Brazil/Argentina, and making it impossible for UK to ally Portugal if SU DOW's Persia (or for axis to ally it either), and elminating US gearing for Soviet belligerence, or for a Soviet alliance with Brazil, Italy attacks Yugo, while not in axis, is another. Giving SU consequences for cancelling opening starting trades with Germany another.

Sure. It would be great for me to predict every possible flaw in the system in the rules, but doing what I have done, much of which I think is very good and effective, is not simply something that can be done overnight. The fact is there will always be holes in any rules set, and players will always be able to find loopholes in the game system to give them advantage. That is the reality. I can try and mod and solve some of these problem, but its a lot of work to do so, and each event train added is yet more CPU burden, so the system will always rely on reasonable play.

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:27:56 PM
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adam wrote:
not just some lame excuse to be more powerful and prove a point.




What is your point? We all know the above. So what?

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:33:55 PM
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Sure. It would be great for me to predict every possible flaw in the system in the rules


we're telling them to you as we go and we find them. editing them is not hard at all. merely edit the countries you don't want to see allied to nuetral. with the case of brazil and argentina, I really think you should leave this up to the german player, because that is more in line with history and what germany is capable of in the game. But IMO just giving USA and isolation slide for the allying of a major ass country like brazil that has so much of an mp reserve not mention very good daily amounts, is not a very good axis compensation at all. Also Brazil is 100x's more usefull in the allies, as they are better able to use their divisions, airforce, and ships all game long. Maybe making argentina a lot more powerful like giving them gearing for war events like USA and adding base IC if brazil enters into alliance with comintern or allies.

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:36:26 PM
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So your point is that you are pissed that I allied Brazil rather than letting you do it?

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:37:17 PM
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What is your point? We all know the above. So what?


lol it's funny how you go back and try to cover yourself and throw your sly remarks that are meant to be put downs and expect people to not be offended by them. but that's cool I am easy. yes you strictly said these countries were added to my alliance for useless reasons, so don't pull that crap. I probably just enlightened you on half the crap you could do, but I will let you keep your pride at being so damn awesome at this game and knowing all possible shit. it's amazing in one post you say you don't know all possible outcomes, in another you say you do, wow cue you're amazing...stop with the lame subliminal insults to me, and I shall stop being rude, thank you.

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:38:47 PM
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You are right, I never thought of invading Germany by allying with Yugoslavia in 1939. That would be boring. I have often considered the possibility of allowing for UK to DOW Belgium in 39, it was not entirely off the table in Paris and London, so yeah I have considered the Belgian and Dutch options. Everyone has. Bottom line is that Allies are flooded with money and can go around allying all kinds of people, for better or for worse.

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:47:47 PM
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You are right, I never thought of invading Germany by allying with Yugoslavia in 1939. That would be boring.


oh but I guess a 50 ic ally with 700+ manpower throughout the game for soviet union is right up your ally, isn't it buddy.

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:51:47 PM
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No need to get jumpy first of all.
Well even if certain things are not within the rules, I do expect players to try and avoid gaminess. So adam, you could have applied a more fair approach. Anyway there's no need to argue about things that're already done and since I see you think the same way about UK avoiding such bullshit, there's no problem imo.
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:57:55 PM
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No need to get jumpy first of all.
Well even if certain things are not within the rules, I do expect players to try and avoid gaminess. So adam, you could have applied a more fair approach. Anyway there's no need to argue about things that're already done and since I see you think the same way about UK avoiding such bullshit, there's no problem imo.


that's what I am trying to figure out here predator, I am totally not seeing the point where you all apply a fair approach to this....it changes everything, everywhere about the game, anytime it's done. it doesn't matter when. a new minor is always more armies, land, navies, and areas to invade from.

look at saturday game, if the persian event did not exist then suez would not have even have been taken, and su would have never even began an offensive there at all. if saudi is allowed to be allied then that means axis should basically have no designs at all in this mod for closing suez, because of SU getting a kurd puppet. USA getting intervention sliders. the persian event. axis cannot hold against all this stuff. so what's the point in defending?

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:00:48 PM
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The fair approach IMO would be UK just going after historical allies since there're no consequences if he chooses not to and yes it changes things..
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:05:06 PM
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oh but I guess a 50 ic ally with 700+ manpower throughout the game for soviet union is right up your ally, isn't it buddy.


Look Adam, we had this situation with Brazil in the last game with Nico. When we discussed it I dont remember you suggesting that this option be excluded. We talked about ways around it, or to modify it, so that it was nerfed appropriatly, should it be done. We came to no firm conclusion as far as I remember. The main thing was that we prevent the creation of Super-Brazil:

Here is what you said:
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When I first seen all the south american countries GOI Arg I thought great, but then think about what you're doing there, putting SU at war possibly right at the start of danzig until war in 1941 with germany. I think a better solution is making all the South American countries lean towards to the politics of facism over being ruled under communist government. Hence making them very friendly with axis nations and possible to be brought into alliance seperately by Japan, or by Germany. This is of course only if Soviets DoW Argentina. If Brazil went allied, then technically germany is allowed to intervene, even though they never will heh. Or simply I think you could solve this problem the same way you solved all the other nations DoWing Nations. Use a non-stop nonagression pact until April of 1941 if the full pact is signed. Earlier if limited. No non-agression if no pact is signed. having USSR free to DoW as they please and considering them an "Allied" country destroys the mechanics of the game IMO. I mean I am just 100 percent positive USA would love to see the "Domino Effect" all throughout South America.


I said:

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Yeah, complications could arise. It would be interesting to try out some variations.

Perhasp simplest and best is just to give Germany the option of cancelling his NAP if USSR DOW's Brazil. But something should be done about that, I think.


We didn't really discuss it beyond that, at no point did you indicate that Brazil in Comintern should be disallowed, entirely, rather that Soviet's DOW's everything in SA should be disallowed, in aprticualr Argentina. So that is what I did. I gave USA a negative slider move for Comintern Brazil, and made it possible for Germany to demand that USSR end the war with Argentina.

As I said in the comintern forum, I have no intention of conducting a bunch of phoney wars in SA.




For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:08:50 PM
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Well I really would rather this didn't turn into an attack/defend - accusations arguement ..
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:12:23 PM
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I am just trying to make the point that we have allowed this before. There is a precedent. We all saw that there were problems with it, and we adjusted for it. If those adjustments are not good enough, that is fine, but its not like anyone came forward and say we can't allow this to happen, because of XYZ, before we got into this game.

If its really a big deal I'll edit it out. Whatever.

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:13:43 PM
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well you must also consider at that point in time, I didn't know you at all and was suggesting ways around what you were suggesting.

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As I said in the comintern forum, I have no intention of conducting a bunch of phoney wars in SA.


and I am not planning to ally anyone else, but for future games this is going to be an issue as I wouldn't want UK allying countries, especially close european ones like sweden and saudi.

about brazil and comintern, it's a big puppet and you're trying to separate the comintern from the allies by disallowing trades and splitting forums etc. so why does USA suffer still for something that does not benefit them down the road if soviets claim victory over germany and prepare to war with allies. I remember you saying something about that didn't make sense but had to be done for balance issues. I think if brazil is to be allowed into the game without argentina action, USA should suffer somehow if it goes allies, and SU should suffer somehow if it goes comintern.

what about SU no longer receives lend-lease events from the USA if they ally brazil. that seems 1 of very many feasible options in the future.

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:17:34 PM
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Well it gets even more complicated when you start thinking down the road, and it is not quite clear how you deal with all the down the road stuff in the end. But I think we are pretty clear that at game start, at least, we are talking about two alliances against Axis, and that is the historical approach. Again, going through all the possibilities would be an huge task.

But from this view, then we consider the whole issue of alliance with Rep Spain. for example. When it is considered a in the long view it is a definite asset to Allies, if it survives, unlikely as that is.

And that is an interesting idea about the lend-lease.

For a straighforward copy over zip version go here: Goerings Delay -- NZQS -- 1.3b.rar

The Mod can also be set up with the Jones Generic Mod Enabler and has worked fine in that mode in my tests. This version has everything in it, 1.3beta, JSGME and the East is Red patch, and can be installed straight to your Armageddon 1.2 (ZBLV) folder without disrupting vanilla at all. It has the 1.3beta exe update and JGSME Mod system right in it. Just unzip to your main doomsday folder, copy the contents of the folder, then past into the main folder, then enable the mod using the JSGME system. Once you execute the JSGME it is pretty self-explanatory: EIR NZQS --ARMA 1.3beta complete 1.3b

Small patch from XTPS or NZQS 1.2 to NZQS 1.3b: Goering EIR -- Patch 1.3b

It would be a dangerous folly for the British people to underrate the enduring position in world history which Mussolini will hold; or the amazing qualities of courage, comprehension, self-control and perseverance which he exemplifies.

Sir Winston -- 1937
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